tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post6852052233329405357..comments2024-01-26T03:40:32.465-05:00Comments on Breath of the Beast: Indian Guilt and the American View of Islam Part IIYaacov Ben Moshehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16711165551258127500noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-10370387558078735452007-12-23T13:47:00.000-05:002007-12-23T13:47:00.000-05:00"David Yeagley, a Comanche Indian is one who poign..."David Yeagley, a Comanche Indian is one who poignantly understands the culture clash from the inside."<BR/><BR/>I beg to differ. Yeagley understands very little and even that only about a very few things. Music, the subject of his doctorate, may, or, as some say, may be not one of them, but politics, history, culture and societal problems are most certainly not.<BR/><BR/>First, he wasn't raised within the Indian culture:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.badeagle.com/html/cultures_indians.html" REL="nofollow">His own words:</A> "...Yeagley’s Comanche mother did not raise her children (three boys and a girl) within Indian culture."<BR/><BR/>He jumped on the Indian "conservative" bandwagon because it was the only way to escape total obscurity. At one point in time he started to let his hair grow, straightened it (or got rid of his perm) and to patronize tanning salons. I am not saying, as some of his Indian critics do, that he is not Indian. I am just saying that he chose at one point in time to identify with his so far despised ("My white father apologized to me for my being Indian!") Indian heritage to -- yes -- further his career, which was nonexistent until then. <BR/><BR/>Would a White man utter such racist drivel, heavy on sexual obsession, such general hatred and misogyny, such antisemitism thinly veiled as philosemitism, such goofy conclusions and general lack of erudition, all hell would break loose. As it is, he gets acclaim.<BR/><BR/>He is cashing in on exactly what he so loudmouthedly denounces: the fact that he is a member of a minority group.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.editrixoffice.com/yeagley_quotes.htm" REL="nofollow">This website</A> is a little bit of a revelation. He seems to have stepped on some toes too many.<BR/><BR/>If he is saying the right things about Israel (he does in that article!) never forget that a broken clock happens to be right twice a day as well but that this fact is no reason to sell it to anybody as functioning.Boadiceahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18197513110064317076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-11916753043915459562007-04-24T21:01:00.000-05:002007-04-24T21:01:00.000-05:00Hi Please consider writing news pieces or an op-ed...Hi<BR/> <BR/>Please consider writing news pieces or an op-ed for Jewrusalem: Israeli Uncensored News. We strive to present different views and opinions while rejecting political correctness. Ideally, we try to make the news "smart and funny." Thus, your input is very welcome.<BR/> <BR/>Best,<BR/>Alex<BR/>www.jewrusalem.net/enСергейhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02499010606979982201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-57466392439181645632007-04-21T20:45:00.000-05:002007-04-21T20:45:00.000-05:00Mik, do you recall where Dante Alleghieri pegged t...Mik, do you recall where Dante Alleghieri pegged the soul of "Mahomet?" In the Inferno's 8th Circle...as a "Sower of Discord."<BR/><BR/>Chew on that one. <BR/><BR/>Rather than waste all of our time trying to persuade a warrior on your own side that Islam is irredeemable, why don't you devote some of that energy trying to persuade someone on the other side that, if it abandons its aggression and triumphalism, Islam IS redeemable? <BR/><BR/>LEAD, FOLLOW, OR GET THE HELL OUTTA THE WAY.Jewish Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16704379332151214452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-68148120966154264082007-04-21T19:12:00.000-05:002007-04-21T19:12:00.000-05:00"For God’s sake stop thinking of anyone who believ..."For God’s sake stop thinking of anyone who believes (or doesn’t believe in him) in him (God that is) in a different way than you do as less than human. That only makes you feel worse when you see that those “unbelievers” live better than you do.<BR/>If you take care of all that, there would be no need for you to feel humiliated anymore.”"<BR/><BR/>Hmm. If a Muslem thinks Christians, Jews and others are equal to him, he is a bad Muslem.<BR/>Koran says Islam is a final truth and infidels must be converted, accept dhimmi status or be killed.<BR/><BR/>See if this is too hot for the fearless blog owner.mik-infidelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10663386551313099473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-13365654486829366472007-04-21T10:47:00.000-05:002007-04-21T10:47:00.000-05:00Yaacov, my post was a bit rushed, so perhaps I may...Yaacov, my post was a bit rushed, so perhaps I may not have fleshed out my concept adequately.<BR/><BR/>First, we need to understand that, while all plunderers are hunters, not all hunters are plunderers. The culture and religion of our enemies have long glorified plunder ("anfal") so long as it was a weapon of the faith, as well as its reward. <BR/> <BR/>I am well aware that, as an economic model, "hunting" cannot compete w/farming/commerce. However, those ranchers/agrarians who "squeezed out" the Indians--hell, even the burghers in those days--knew how to ride and shoot, and had no qualms about doing so to protect their property, life, even their honor!<BR/> <BR/>This concept has been egregiously battered the past ~50 years, to the point that an individual like Bernard Goetz, who gunned down three thugs who tried to rob him on the subway is prosecuted, then sued into oblivion. "HIS GUN WASN'T LEGAL, AND ALL HIS ASSAILANTS HAD WERE SHARPENED SCREWDRIVERS!" <BR/> <BR/>Bernard Goetz was displaying a normal, healthy "hunter's instinct"--get the predator [plunderer] before he gets you/your livestock. What do you think the public NY reaction wd have been in 1924, even if everyone in that story was white? "HURRAHHH, THREE LESS THUGS TO WORRY ABOUT!"<BR/> <BR/>Our society needs more of that instinct, MUCH MORE, don't you think? What do you think wd be the public reaction in the Bay State if a 2007 Bernie Goetz did the same thing on the MBTA? I doubt Menino wd pin a medal on him...<BR/> <BR/>A sheep dog is a domesticated cousin of the wolf, but is still genetically the same predator--WHICH IS WHY IT IS EFFECTIVE AGAINST THE WOLF.<BR/> <BR/>Yaacov, today probably every state in the Union has a higher GDP than almost the entire Arab world put together...yet we are struggling to dig up a few thousand troops to ensure victory in our most important strategic Battle since the Bulge. Why? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO SUCH A DEGREE LOST THAT HUNTER'S INSTINCT. <BR/><BR/>"You see, the sheep dog is an essential part of the agrarian system…"<BR/><BR/>That is a very interesting assertion. Logically, you are saying the agrarian system cannot exist without the genetic predator/hunter being grafted into it. I fully agree.<BR/><BR/>We may be quibbling about small distinctions. But I guess I am saying the jury right now is still out as to whether a peace-loving, economically powerful society can prevail upon a sufficiently committed economically weak (but possessed of much cunning) society oriented to plunder. The answer will depend on whether we prefer peace so much that we constantly retreat before threats (veiled or naked), until our strategic position becomes untenable.<BR/><BR/>I totally agree with you that commerce/agriculture is far superior as an economic system...plunder is ultimately a completely losing proposition. Unless we committ consecutive decades of macro-straegic blunders (Eurabia? Hmmmmmmmm), the Khalifah plunderers can't win, but they can do dreadful damage to us. Just because they haven't a snowball's chance in hell of success, or even any coherent plan for achieving it, doesn't mean the victim's of their efforts will be any less dead.<BR/> <BR/>On the other hand, if we can revitalize our hunting (NOT plundering) instinct among our "elites" (it is fairly healthy amongst the masses, esp in the South and West), you will be amazed at how quickly we will win this war.Jewish Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16704379332151214452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-836126471050849482007-04-20T23:19:00.000-05:002007-04-20T23:19:00.000-05:00Jewish Odysseus, my friend and respected ally, I t...Jewish Odysseus, my friend and respected ally, I think you have fallen prey to a common form of confusion on the issue of who is a hunter and who an agrarian. I must have left some confusion on this rather fine point and for that I apologize. I stand by my distinction with the further explanation that it was most certainly the farmers and cattle ranchers who fulfilled the doom of the Indians. The hunters and trappers of the early centuries of white settlement had no effect on the Indian population aside from spreading disease, unsavory practices like alcohol consumption and such marginally deleterious economic activities as the wanton destruction of game for resale rather than direct consumption. None of these truly endangered the Indian way of life. The trappers and hunters had an uneasy but livable coexistence with the Indians.<BR/><BR/>It was the advance of the ranchers, as they fenced off the open spaces with barbed wire and the farmers who ripped open the soil with their iron ploughs with whom the Indians could not coexist. Without the infrastructure of railroads and river transport that evolved to supply these farms and ranches and take their massive output to market, The far-flung military fort system that defeated the Indians would have been impossible to maintain. It was the economic and environmental pressure of the agrarians and the accompanying protective forces of civil society that crushed the Indians.<BR/><BR/>As far as the brave people you call hunters who protect us and eliminate our enemies all over the world. They are very much part of our culture, not throwbacks of any kind. I commend the work of Lt. Col. Dave Grossman on this subject. He wrote a beautiful treatment of this subject which can be found here: http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm<BR/>The jist of it is that most people are sheep- good productive citizens of an orderly,(mostly safe) society. Then there are the unprincipled “wolves” the killers (plunderers as you call them) and hunters. Sheep need protection from wolves and this is where sheepdogs come in. Grossman writes, “Then there are sheepdogs,” he went on, “and I’m a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf.” Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, “We intimidate those who intimidate others.” I love this analogy especially because it puts the thing into an argrarian vs hunter context. You see, the sheep dog is an essential part of the agrarian system…<BR/><BR/>I think those noble hunting values you refer to are actually the creed of the sheepdog.Yaacov Ben Moshehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16711165551258127500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-88112009547691655752007-04-20T15:55:00.000-05:002007-04-20T15:55:00.000-05:00Where the rubber meets the road:“The land develope...Where the rubber meets the road:<BR/><BR/>“The land developers, the agrarians, have become stronger than the hunters.”<BR/><BR/>How sure are we of this assertion?<BR/><BR/>Who are our people fighting in WW IV? A minority of HUNTERS willing to rush into the alleys and marshes and dungeons of the Mideast and gun down these filthy cutthroats.<BR/><BR/>And it was HUNTERS who crushed the Indians...America in 1887 had a far larger proportion of them than in 2007...<BR/><BR/>The Islamic religion, and Arab culture, glorifies "THE PLUNDERER" above all heroes--compare their heroes with, ohhhhh, Jewish heroes. Huge difference!<BR/><BR/>The hunting instinct, and the logic of the hunt, is a very ancient and IMPORTANT part of the human psyche, and history. Our Western civilization has spent many decades denigrating it and stamping it out, along w/other "masculine values"...<BR/><BR/>I fear we have gone too far. <BR/><BR/>Our enemies definitely sense this.<BR/><BR/>We must restore hunting values as worthy and moral.<BR/><BR/>When we do, you will be amazed at how quickly and easily we win this war.Jewish Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16704379332151214452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-81488332795022268172007-04-20T08:13:00.000-05:002007-04-20T08:13:00.000-05:00Yaacov, once again my friend, you have penned (pix...Yaacov, once again my friend, you have penned (pixel'ed?) a most powerful argument that dashes the trope of multiculturalism against the rocks of reality. Would that people of good will could see and believe that there is an evil about the world that preys on the weak, the helpless and it's name is islamofascism and the idiocy of those who won't call a spade a spade. <BR/><BR/>Thanks for the lessons in life my friend. Excellent!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-14359745344768016752007-04-20T07:56:00.000-05:002007-04-20T07:56:00.000-05:00This was very well written and made a lot of good ...This was very well written and made a lot of good points. <BR/><BR/>We are engaged in a clash of civilizations, and the outcome is in doubt. If we have the will, we can win. We have technology and culture on our side. <BR/><BR/>But do we have the will? A day or two a go, Sen. Majority Leader Reid announced that we had lost in Iraq. Why? Apparently because the Sunni Arabs, becoming ever more desperate in their losing fight agaist the Shia, managed to murder an especially large bunch of innocent Iraqis. <BR/><BR/>Could we win in Iraq? Sure. We have the general now. We have the technology, the soldiers, the might, and the political ideals that would win this war if we have the will. But can we? It depends on whether we have enough will, and obviously there are some, with Sen. Reid in the lead, who don't.Bruce Haydenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10815293023158025662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-62681057048126330312007-04-20T05:43:00.000-05:002007-04-20T05:43:00.000-05:00Think again, Mechanical Eye, you have missed the p...Think again, Mechanical Eye, you have missed the point. Your view has not "matured" in the years since 9/11 you have merely lost the adrenaline-driven clarity that woke you up that bright September morning. The truth is not so murky- it is our limited ability to understand and concentrate that throws mud on reality. You have sunk back into the mud of relativism and equivocation. <BR/><BR/>Here is where you have lost your way: <BR/>I am not talking about the White Man's Burden at all. If they were still stuck in their stinking desert hamlets with little or no ability to confront us, I would agree with you- who cares? They are a backward, tribal people, let them be. But since the late forties The West has been pouring oil money into that black hole of greed and consumption and has created a powerful monster that is coming after us. They have made their point that we do not need to engage them. Whether we ignore them or not they have to destroy us, or destroy themselves in the attempt. <BR/><BR/>Read my post again, D.H. Lawrence had it right once in confrontation and proximity one culture has to defeat the other in some way. The problem is that they were already defeated- unable to compete economically or in the marketplace of ideas and we have propped them back up again with oil money (undeserved, un-produced income- a classic tail of the wastrel nephew hating the distant uncle who endowed his trust fund) and not slapping down and ridiculing their idiotic rantings because of our multiculturalism. <BR/><BR/>It is not time yet to relax into the comfortable murk of isolationism. They are still sucking and the teat of their oil deposits and they are developing nuclear weapons. Remember 9/11 Mechnical Eye, and understand that they still want to kill you. <BR/>See my first post:<BR/>http://breathofthebeast.blogspot.com/2006/12/my-first-encounter-with-beast.htmlYaacov Ben Moshehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16711165551258127500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-22033517341663122102007-04-20T00:43:00.000-05:002007-04-20T00:43:00.000-05:00Oh, how I used to enjoy essays like these in the f...Oh, how I used to enjoy essays like these in the few years after 9/11. It was exactly what I wanted to hear. So confident, very learned. And even now, I enjoy reading such confident essay writing. <BR/><BR/>But the truth, as it often is, is far murkier and less attractive than some simple battle between self-loathing Chompskyites and ever-so-brave neo-conservatives. Today, I find myself turning against both views: one is self-loathing; the other, self-satisfied. <BR/><BR/>For as distasteful and nasty and crude you find other cultures, it is no longer the White Man's Burden to give them demoracy and freedom. We no longer have the power or the will, and for those countries conquered at the height of European colonization in the 19th century, the west's imprint may not be a lasting one. <BR/><BR/>"Oh, I am not a racist!" you may argue. And I am willing to believe that. But when you nod approvingly at Progressive Era thinkers like T.R. and Lawrence, who thought nothing of conquering all sorts of land to improve the world's people, I wonder if you ever considered the notion that not all the distaste at western civilization comes from envy.<BR/><BR/>Might I recommend "The Clash of Civilizations" by Samuel Huntington? His work stands tall in the face of our tremendous difficulties in Iraq. <BR/><BR/>I no longer think the world can be forced to fit our own mold. <BR/><BR/>DUThe Mechanical Eyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306713465374606654noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1625076107995960519.post-47377021364923808622007-04-19T20:22:00.000-05:002007-04-19T20:22:00.000-05:00"If all cultures are equal, cannibalism is simply ..."If all cultures are equal, cannibalism is simply a matter of Taste" Leo StrauseΛΕΟΝΙΔΑΣhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04976785560712692275noreply@blogger.com